[mod]Experimental Gameplay

[illwieckz]

penalization of not recovering previously spent evos

There is no limitation in devolving yet.
Seems like devolving to granger or dretch returns 0 mps but all other classes return the spend points.

I see, I only tested devolving to granger/dretch. I just tested the update that requires the devolving to be done near overmind, that seems good. Is there any branch somewhere?

[illwieckz]

Maybe tell the player is too far from overmind instead of telling the location is too far from base, this looks like a legit forward base (with egg, etc.). Note: devolve.

Also, this is very confusing:

[Gireen]

Now it works as intended.
https://github.com/Gireen/Unvanquished/tree/devolve

The next problem are the bots. It would be nice if they could build there base and repair it. I read that Bot could do this earlier but i cant find any code related to that.

The general bot behavior could also be a bit improved. What annoys me is that especial aliens only try suiciderushs without retreating.
For 1on1 would it be interesting to add smaller maps that are also better to use for the bots.

[illwieckz]

Now it works as intended.
https://github.com/Gireen/Unvanquished/tree/devolve

Great!

The next problem are the bots. It would be nice if they could build there base and repair it. I read that Bot could do this earlier but i cant find any code related to that.

I'm not sure this even existed. I remember some talks about making the bots rebuilding the default layout, perhaps there was experiments sitting in some repo but I really don't remember.

The general bot behavior could also be a bit improved. What annoys me is that especial aliens only try suiciderushs without retreating.
For 1on1 would it be interesting to add smaller maps that are also better to use for the bots.

One thing that really annoys me is they're true aimbot, which makes flamer very deadly in their hand and the fact the alien never miss while being very close is very unfair. It would be fair if they had some random miss rate. Or, if that already exists, having it more customized, per weapon. Another thing I think about is not only random miss rate that may probably already exist, but also random delay between shots. Perfect reload timing combined with perfect aiming makes them a lot looking like bots, and that efficiency is not cool.

[Gireen]

when adding a bot you can set the skill that determines the aiming, witch at is worst lets bots shoot at the ceiling
Efficiency nails it quiet good. Always the shortest path etc.
So we need the bots do some silly stuff

[illwieckz]

So we need the bots do some silly stuff

So they would look more real.

One annoying thing is that they basically know “where you are” at any time, they seem to rush to the path you use, you can't really surprise them, except if you manage to not touch the floor, which is hard as human.

One good thing would be to make bot to somewhat follow human players by default. Like if there is three bots, at least one follows you, two roams randomly, and they would exchange their role sometime. If there is a base to defend, the one following you let the roaming ones retreating and do the defend and repair job. Note that even without humans to follow, not all have to retreat, it's annoying to see bots retreating as soon as someone scratch a bit one building.

[Gireen]

You can surprise bots if they don't see you. As alien i can follow human bots around without them noticing until they take damage.
But after the fist encounter they seem to always know your location.

Maybe the beacons could be a way to interact with bot teammates.

Bots don't return to base to defend it.
That's at least what the behaviorTree says. And there seem to be something broken too. Bots don't repair the base and aliens don't heal them self.
It seems like they have problems to recognizing there own team buildings. Wen i tell a human to go to the overmind he has no problem but a alien will just stand still as if there where no overmind.

[illwieckz]

Maybe the beacons could be a way to interact with bot teammates.

I wish that for so many years…

[freem]

quick answer to say that this experimental gameplay makes playing as a granger a lot less boring.
In 0.51 standard, I hate grangering around, because grangers are slow, weak, and basically can't have fun. With current experimental, grangers can plant a set of buildings (humans can too), and so it's possible for a granger to evolve to defend what it did.

I think this should be put into 0.52, but only for aliens. Then, humans will have stronger bases, but aliens would have faster build abilities.

[illwieckz]

I also appreciate the fast building alien in Experimental, that's make the game more satisfying, which is good for a game.