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Re: Change layouts for less moving around at start
Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:13 pm UTC
by SuperDupont
Long times ago, in Tremulous, bases are always at the worst place and need to be moved.
And, when moved, your team must be around to made protection the time for the reactor or the overmind to be ready.
I think, it's still interesting. But with few players and too much bots, it's not always possible to move the base.
So, this will be possible when we can use beacon (Key B) to call the team (and the bots), and bots won't rush away.
Re: Change layouts for less moving around at start
Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:48 pm UTC
by SuperDupont
That is why I prepare website, with video and pics. This can help complete the Wiki too.
Re: Change layouts for less moving around at start
Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:21 pm UTC
by Gireen
There is no rule that there can only be one layout per map.
You can make some layouts that are optimized for bots or low playercount and have them selected in maprotation depending on the number of real players.
Re: Change layouts for less moving around at start
Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2021 4:29 pm UTC
by Gireen
freem wrote:layouts which are destroyed by bots in warmup
Thats something that could be fixed by someone that is working on bot improvements
They have access to time in the Behavior tree so one could let them idle during warmup and play defensive during the first few minutes.
I think the best way to introduce and test new layouts is to have them as optional addition. It gives more options and that is always good
Obliviously not for every small fix.
Re: Change layouts for less moving around at start
Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:06 pm UTC
by illwieckz
Should bot not play during warmup? If real players can't play, bot should not…
Re: Change layouts for less moving around at start
Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 12:54 pm UTC
by Moimeme
SuperDupont wrote:Long times ago, in Tremulous, bases are always at the worst place and need to be moved.
And, when moved, your team must be around to made protection the time for the reactor or the overmind to be ready.
I think, it's still interesting. But with few players and too much bots, it's not always possible to move the base.
So, this will be possible when we can use beacon (Key B) to call the team (and the bots), and bots won't rush away.
Oh man, the good old days when you had to organize to move your base. That was so much fun !
Re: Change layouts for less moving around at start
Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2021 11:31 pm UTC
by illwieckz
freem wrote:There's also the problem that on some maps (yocto) humans start with more buildings than aliens, which are slower to build. I suspect this is why aliens can't win this map on my server.
Yes, on yocto at 0.51 time the human layout was just making them being torn apart in the very first minutes, that's why I improved the human layout for 0.52, maybe a bit too much?
