Vote: build point extraction method

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How should we handle build point extraction?

Fixed resource sites, global build point pool
1
6%
Free placement, global build point pool
4
25%
Free placement, resource map
6
38%
Fixed resource sites, with local pools
5
31%
Something else (please explain)
0
No votes
Unsure / don't know / don't care
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 16
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Vote: build point extraction method

Postby kharnov » Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:03 pm UTC

Norfenstein has given us four options for build point extraction, as seen in the resources thread.

Here are the four options:

norfenstein wrote:
  • Fixed resource sites, global build point pool - The map defines resource sites (Domination-like capture points) and teams build RGSs to claim them, but all build points are drawn from the map's total. We've already decided this isn't the first method we want to try.
  • Free placement, global build point pool - RGSs can be built anywhere (but with some kind of limit to how close they can be to each other) and all draw from the map's pool. This is what most of the posts in this thread have been assuming, and is probably the simplest approach.
  • Free placement, resource map - Theyain's idea.
  • Fixed resource sites, with local pools - Like Domination, but each resource site can run out of build points. This has two variants: RGSs and resource sites are one-to-one, or RGSs can cover multiple sites that are in range. With the latter option, if you have a lot of resource sites it starts behaving like a resource map.


Pick one option and vote for it. You don't necessarily have to explain why you chose it, unless you have something else in mind.
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Re: Vote: build point extraction method

Postby Theyain » Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:34 pm UTC

The biggest problem with a global build point pool system is that it allows for camping. Greatly.
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Re: Vote: build point extraction method

Postby Gireen » Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:00 pm UTC

i would chose "Fixed resource sites, global build point pool" if the resource site can run out of build points.

A global build point pool allows to build one big base, but to get the build points you cant camp.
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Re: Vote: build point extraction method

Postby Theyain » Fri Dec 28, 2012 12:59 am UTC

Gireen wrote:i would chose "Fixed resource sites, global build point pool" if the resource site can run out of build points.

A global build point pool allows to build one big base, but to get the build points you cant camp.



That would be option number 4, "Fixed resource sites, with local pools"
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Re: Vote: build point extraction method

Postby Viech » Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:34 pm UTC

First of all, Free placement, global build point pool versus Free placement, resource map creates the impression that a resource map would be a limitation on where build points can be spend but as I understand Theyain's idea the resource map is a different approach on where build points can be acquired and is based on a global build points pool, too. As the title of this thread suggests, the difference lies in the way of extraction. I'd like to add that the implications of both approaches are diverse and can't be summarized in a single sentence as the poll suggests.

I think it's a bad idea to discuss the approaches here as we spend a lot of time to precisely define them in the resources thread. Anything discussed in this thread will be prone to misunderstanding - you will definitely need to read the resources thread before you vote.

Even though I did vote myself I don't think this poll can give us any evidence on what will be the best approach. We've alreay decided that we will need to test more than one approach ingame and since the resource map will be rather tough to program it would be wise to implement a more basic extraction method first and experiment with the distinct methods of acquiration limitations (minimum distance, resouce map, weighted distance (Cadynum's approach), etc.) afterwards.
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Re: Vote: build point extraction method

Postby Ishq » Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:44 am UTC

As fixed resource sites is a tried and widely used method, we should try that second because we are pretty sure it will work. Instead, we should experiment with free placement first.
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Re: Vote: build point extraction method

Postby Theyain » Tue Jan 01, 2013 11:59 pm UTC

A remarkably simple thought occurred to me just now. Why not make whether it it's resource map or global pool a server settable variable? Something like sv_pool; 0 is resource, 1 is global

It would seem to me that it would be rather easy to do and gives our players more freedom.
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Re: Vote: build point extraction method

Postby Ishq » Wed Jan 02, 2013 5:30 am UTC

So we can focus on balancing one gameplay mode instead of two.
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Re: Vote: build point extraction method

Postby Theyain » Thu Jan 03, 2013 3:18 am UTC

Ah, but how much more balancing would we have to do with a global pool?
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Re: Vote: build point extraction method

Postby janev » Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:20 pm UTC

No matter what is chosen I'd prefer the focus of the game remain on combat. Not on construction and gathering supplies.
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