Gameplay Roadmap - 3.1 Forwarding and moving base

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Gameplay Roadmap - 3.1 Forwarding and moving base

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3.1 Forwarding and moving base wrote:

Forwards and base moves increase the diversity of competitive matches, especially if a number of viable locations is available to both teams. While maps have to offer spots that are suitable for building and give the team that holds them a greater amount of map control, the gamelogic is responsible for keeping the risks involved at an appropriate level. Because of the positive impact on diversity, I find it acceptable to have the advantage of both strategies outweight the associated risks. Failing to move base or build a forward removes building resources and gives the enemy time to execute any strategy without interruption (since the forwarding team is on defense during the process), so additional risks and punishments should be kept low.

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Yes, building forwards has become increasingly risky and it generally helps the enemy more than harms them. I think that by awarding confidence based on the circumstances surrounding an event will be fix this. Rather than awarding constant confidence based on what was built and where, and awarding an enemy the same confidence earned for destroying it, confidence should be proportional to the risk. Killing an enemy forward near their base will yield less confidence than killing an enemy structure inside the enemy base. This will make it less prohibitive to make forwards. Not only do you earn more, but the enemy earns less. This is a risky move as it is most likely to fail. Furthermore, by moving, you leave your main base completely open, allowing huge confidence jumps for aliens who can happily kill weakly powered remnants of your old base. Certainly, this will add more “complexity” because you get a different amount of confidence killing stuff in the same location based on other factors, but I don't think it matters because we have all that complex stuff hidden away, and the player only need understand the most basic intuitive portion of it.
Some examples of factors I'd like to consider:

  • Distance from enemy base (killing structs) (greater distance, less confidence)

  • Distance from your base (building structs) (greater distance, more confidence)

  • Number of enemies within a radius (killing and building) (greater number, more confidence)

Ultimately, this all goes with the risk factor and multiple factors will be considered when awarding confidence. Benefits include more fair distribution of confidence and less likely to see huge spikes in stage because the enemy killed something that took them no effort and little risk to kill. Ultimately, this will lead to a more fun experience due to less frustration of seeing an enemy gain an advantage because of a factor that is increasing difficult to account for because your team cannot be everywhere at once.

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Re: Gameplay Roadmap - 3.1 Forwarding and moving base

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This might be an odd suggestion, but what about being able to accelerate the construction of buildings somehow? Like, having multiple people with construction kits speeding up the construction of a turret, or multiple grangers jumping and gurgling around a single acid tube. Or, leave humans with that capability to make up for the stealth and detection advantages that aliens have in the early game. It would make sense, considering that humans are far more reliant on their bases than the aliens.

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I agree, this sounds like a viable solution kharnov. (To a not yet clearly defined problem – maybe you want to explain why this helps specifically with forwarding and moving bases?)

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It's extremely difficult for humans to expand in the beginning. Aliens will always find them and they will make very quick work of them. Giving the humans the ability to accelerate the construction of forward bases by dedicating multiple players to construction would both allow for humans to actually survive the outpost creation process, as well as encouraging groups of humans to travel with each other, increasing their individual survival.

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Doubtful. For every extra builder, you lose a defender. Even if you get a base up faster, you're still going to get destroyed if the aliens find you.

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